Session Start: Sat Jun 10 16:05:08 2000
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<LionKon_IT> hi there Maggi
<LionKon_IT> sorry for the little delay
<Maggi> Hello Corrado I just came here
<LionKon_IT> no fee for us from our tailwister!
<Maggi> Is there one?
<LionKon_IT> we have to elect him :-)
<Maggi> Sorry for not having made my resume yeat
<LionKon_IT> did you ook at the others?
<Maggi> I thougth there vas one in the computer . Yes I did read them all
<LionKon_IT> sorry, look. I've published all the resume received in the EILC Members page
<LionKon_IT> and this morning Enzar from Turkye sended me a new image for the EILC title in the web site
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<LionZip> Ciao
<LionZip> Sael Maggi
<Maggi> I ment in my computer was supposed to be one in Icelandic 
<LionKon_IT> Hello Zip, welcome in the EILC chat
<LionZip> always nice to see you all
<LionKon_IT> well, you could send your resume in Icelandic too (and maybe in english)
<LionZip> is a chat sceduled here today?
<LionKon_IT> Zip, you have to teach me how to change the TOPIC and to set a welcome message!
<Maggi> Hello Zip do you never sleep latein the mornings? 
<LionKon_IT> yes, Zip, the saturday chat is now regular
<LionZip> right-click in the panel that you read and you should see a screen come up
<LionZip> I am always awake at about 6 a.m.
<LionKon_IT> wait a moment, I'm helping Umberto to enter the chat
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<LionZip> what title do you want now?
<Umb-IT> hi to all, ciao,
<LionKon_IT> ciao Umberto.... at least you are here!
<LionKon_IT> just to know how I can set up the topics
<Maggi> Sæll Umberto
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<LionZip> Bravo Corrado!
<LionKon_IT> oh oh, it seems that julien doen't want that I set up other titles!
<LionZip> you are an op - so you should be able to change it
<LionKon_IT> I don't know if julien has made any restriction
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<LionZip> he will need to tell you what to do
<Umb-IT> W the president!!!
<LionKon_IT> as you can see after my changes all come back!
<LionZip> you will learn more as you useit
<LionZip> use it
<LionZip> Is there a topic today?
<LionKon_IT> i'm not so expert using mirc.... I've to study the program
<LionKon_IT> first argument: EILC at the International Convention
<LionZip> argument = subject - or Topic (in English)
<LionZip> Topic
<LionKon_IT> yes Zip, remember that here we will speak a really corrupted english :-)
<LionZip> then you will pay LOTS of fines!
<LionKon_IT> even it will be our common language or the chat will be a babel chat
<LionZip> Have you mada a rule about fines hrere?
<LionKon_IT> :-)))))))
<LionKon_IT> you should have a cam connected to see my smile now, Zip!
<LionZip> Maggi - is there a program for translating icelandic to English?
<Umb-IT> what is icelandic?, please
<LionKon_IT> Maggi is from ICeland Umberto
<LionZip> Maggi is from Iceland
<Maggi> Would our english not rather be childish than corrupted. Translation for 270000people?
<Umb-IT> well, I am from Pistoia: I could use the pistoiesic?
<LionZip> that makes sense to me......lol
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<LionKon_IT> ok, now we have 2 Umbertos here!
<LionUmb_IT> hi to all; now is a large page
<LionUmb_IT> I am very large, about 95 KG
<LionKon_IT> Zip, about the fees: after all we have to elect our Board and a Tailtwister
<LionKon_IT> sorry, "fines"
<LionZip> will you do as LOL - pay the home clubs?
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<LionKon_IT> Well, it could be an idea :-) But first of all we should be more than 30 members
<Maggi> We just got Windows in Icelandic  and now we all have mixed up half Icel./ eng. computers
<LionUmb_IT> I am in alone
<LionZip> that must make it very confusing, Maggi
<LionZip> Umberto - you are here with us
<Maggi> Must be for someone
<LionUmb_IT> I am cooking now
<LionKon_IT> he was saying that now isn't 2 people, He was connected using the web chat and mirc!
<LionUmb_IT> two are better than one
<LionZip> icelandic, in print, is very strange to me (as an American) - I was surprised to see how it looked in the icelandic LION
<LionKon_IT> @#]Ä?
<Maggi> We do have letters you do not have even thoug those letters came into Icel. from English 
<LionZip> I don't think that is it, Corrado....
<LionKon_IT> maybe :-(
<LionZip> maggi - is your time now 2:35 p.m.?
<LionUmb_IT> my "rigaglia" is boiling!
<LionUmb_IT> no is 16:42
<Maggi> Yes
<LionZip> I am getting better at the different time zones
<LionKon_IT> 16.35 here, 2 hours ahead from maggi
<LionZip> I have your Italian time on a clock on my wall over my desk
<LionUmb_IT> here we have the legal Hour
<Maggi> We never change the cloc(time)
<LionKon_IT> infact in winter there is only 1 hour from maggi and us (now we are in DST)
<LionZip> iceland is 1 hour earlier than GMT - correct?
<LionUmb_IT> but Maggi is an italian surname, then he must go with our time
<Maggi> We are on GMT
<LionZip> thank you
<LionKon_IT> Anyone tryed the www.timeanddate.com link in the EILC page?
<LionZip> it is a wonderful program, Corrado
<LionZip> I have it bookmarked
<LionKon_IT> i think that Dan used it for the LionNet "Online Events" page
<Maggi> Maggi is short for Magnus (male) in Icelandic
<LionUmb_IT> Maggi is an italian surname, as Giugni and so on. The names of months
<LionKon_IT> And I think that Dan has already addeed also this chat to the LionNet Online events
<LionUmb_IT> Maggi = May at plural
<LionZip> Can ZIP be an Italian name too?
<LionUmb_IT> no, only for disk!!
<LionKon_IT> Zip is a noise for something really fast that brush against you
<LionUmb_IT> bye, now I can go out. My duty is cooking
<LionZip> are you trying to call me a BIG WIND?
<LionZip> or a BIG NOISE?
<LionZip> Ciao Umbrerto
<LionKon_IT> ciao Umberto, attento alle rigaglie!
<Maggi> Maby we should collect all hhose information and make translation program Ic/It/Eng.
<LionZip> that will be a really big job, Maggi
<LionKon_IT> why not Maggi! however I save all the chat logs and I publish them in the web pages
<LionKon_IT> then you could use the Message Board to add some comments
<Maggi> Oh boy what did I start now
<LionZip> Corrado - have you made a list of topics for EILC chats?
<LionKon_IT> however, about the EILC projects: one of them should be to start an emails database
<LionZip> do you have a major domo server?
<LionKon_IT> not yet Zip, we have to grow up before.... as you see in these first regular chats we are still fews
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<LionKon_IT> I was speaking about an email dbase of all the european lions
<LionZip> i suggest that you do not use a public server for tjis - there can be no SPAM if the server is private
<LionZip> tjis = this
<LionKon_IT> where you can search directly from the web using a password
<LionZip> if the server is public, the email list might be used for other purposes
<LionZip> by the server owners
<LionKon_IT> about a majordomo: we don't have a mailing list yet. But when it will start we could arrange it as a closed list
<LionKon_IT> However our server is private
<LionZip> you might ask Dan about this
<LionZip> using julien's server?
<LionKon_IT> no, using the server where EILC runs
<LionZip> just making a suggestion.....
<LionKon_IT> we could arrange a mailing list as lionseuropa@lionseuropa.net
<LionZip> LOL uses a LionNet server
<LionKon_IT> then only the registered owners could use it
<LionZip> okay
<LionKon_IT> So we will not have any spam
<LionKon_IT> as it happens for the CIRCLE list
<LionZip> that is good
<LionZip> have you made a schedule of topics?
<LionKon_IT> we already use a closed list for our MD Internet Committee that is md108internet@lions.it
<LionKon_IT> not yet... i hope that for these first chats we could share ideas, as we are doing, about the EILC features and how to improve them
<LionZip> why not make that the topic? Topics make better attendance
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<LionZip> without topics - chat is mostly social 
<LionKon_IT> Hola Teddy
<LionZip> with topics - chat is focused and more controlled
<LionZip> Hole teddy
<LionZip> Teddy
<LionTedd> Hola LionKon
<LionTedd> Hola LionZip
<Maggi> Sorry guys must leave 
<LionKon_IT> agree Zip, but maybe in the first times we could spend some chat to know us
<LionTedd> Hi maggi
<LionZip> Bye Maggi
<LionKon_IT> ok, Maggi, thanks for your presence
<Maggi> Hello Teddy
<Maggi> Bye all
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<LionTedd> Bye Maggi, sorry you are leaving when I arrive
<LionKon_IT> Teddy, we was speaking about the chat topics
<LionTedd> How are you guys
<LionZip> it is time for me to get ready for work also
<LionTedd> What have you been dealing about
<LionKon_IT> may you spend some minutes too, Zip?
<LionZip> it is terrible - work always interferes with my life.....
<LionTedd> Yes, but work dignifies the Human Beeing!!!
<LionKon_IT> there was an important topic for today that i would to discuss with you
<LionKon_IT> our presence during the Internationa Convention
<LionZip> and that is.....?
<LionTedd> Go ahead, what is the topic
<LionKon_IT> Eilc at the International Convention, Teddy
<LionTedd> You mean our presence as a Virtual Club?
<LionZip> how many from EILC will be there?
<LionKon_IT> about 10
<LionTedd> who takes care of the program at the convention?
<LionZip> would they like to join us at the LOL Annual meeting?
<LionKon_IT> as you know I've asked to be in the Internet Booth and our Fellow Latife will be at the LUAU too
<LionZip> your members are welcome to help in the booth
<LionKon_IT> I think that Bob and Latife will help you there
<LionTedd> What do you propose. I have no experience at all in Lions Conventions
<LionZip> the more - the merrier!
<LionKon_IT> I'll send to Bob and Latife the complete list of EILC members there
<LionKon_IT> but I would to organize an EILC chat from there.... do you think it will be possible?
<LionZip> LOL has a room for our Annual Meeting - Room 303 A&B on Wednesday June 21 2-4 p.m.
<LionZip> EILC is welcome there too
<LionKon_IT> Teddy, LOL has a regular space during the International conventions
<LionZip> Chat is possible - but you must talk to Dan
<LionTedd> I remember the one done in the PreForum, I do not know what is yoour opinion. Mine is tha at least to me it did not seem very effective
<LionZip> what was done at PreForum?
<LionKon_IT> we had a phisical meeting and a chat there, when we founded EILC
<LionZip> what made it not effective?
<LionTedd> I understand that in our Regulations, our virtual Club should have a meetting during the Forum. So this is what we we should hold.
<LionZip> Forum in Europe?
<LionKon_IT> yes Teddy, that will be, but we could join us during the International Conventions too
<LionKon_IT> Yes Zip, because EILC is mostly european we decide for our annual phisical meeting during the Europa Forums
<LionTedd> The chat was not ordered. It took a long time to comunicate with you in themeetting. We chatted on Ah and Bah with no clear issue. etc.
<LionTedd> That is always like this in every chat every where.
<LionZip> the first meetings are always disorganized, i think
<LionKon_IT> that happened because I leaved the chatmaster position to David that isn't so expert
<LionKon_IT> during the preforum Meeting i had to control the phisical and the chat meeting...!
<LionZip> As EILC develops its own direction and personality - that will be better
<LionTedd> Maybe...I experience this situation in every type of multiple chat.
<LionZip> EILC requires an Annual Meeting at Forum?
<LionTedd> Please, do not understand that I am against a chat meetting, no not all, I hope it could be more effective and ordered.
<LionZip> Corrado - that is my reason for suggesting topics at EVERY chat session
<LionTedd> In any way, I am hee to be of help and collaboration as needed
<LionKon_IT> EILC decided has the others Internet Clubs to have one phisical meeting each year, and I though that the Europa Forums are easier to join for us
<LionZip> me too!
<LionTedd> Of course, this was the rational to hold there instead of comming to Israel, remember?
<LionKon_IT> but another phisical meeting could be during the International Conventions too
<LionZip> In any way, I am hee to be of help and collaboration as needed............ me too!
<LionTedd> That I do not know. At least it was not discussed
<LionZip> as long as there is a plan - that is all that is important
<LionZip> Europa forum makes sense to me
<LionTedd> Of course, always must be a plan. Who from EILC is going to Hawaii?
<LionKon_IT> Teddy, as I said during the Florence chat: we have to plan at least one phisical meeting each year, but if a member want to organize another meeting in his country.... why not?
<LionKon_IT> maybe difficult, but at least an interesting experience if it works!
<LionTedd> Again, this is always very nice but, I am sure that the members do no have ilimited economic power..!!!
<LionZip> LOL does its physical meeting at Convention - but we have had a big social meeting at each USA/Canada Forum
<LionTedd> In my humble opinion, it is better tohave one bird sure in the hand and than try to get others. Maybe we stick to organize the next meetting of EILC in Florence.
<LionZip> EILC could do it the opposite way
<LionKon_IT> I'll send you a complete list of the EILC members at the Convention, so you could indicate them to their delegation friends there
<LionKon_IT> Zip, because the INTCONV are often in the USA area, it's easier for you to arrange the LOL annual meeting there
<LionTedd> If we are about 20+ members and 10 will be in Florence, I thin it is a repectable quorum, don't you think so?
<LionKon_IT> (sorry, to your)
<LionKon_IT> I think that in Florence we will be more than 10
<LionZip> I agree - but I have no idea what will happen in Osak in 2 years
<LionZip> osaka
<LionTedd> Where is going to be next Forum?
<LionKon_IT> well, we have to think what it will happen in Indanapolis :-)
<LionZip> In San Diego, we only had a few members - but we had 85 in the meeting room
<LionKon_IT> the next Forum will be in Portugal
<LionTedd> I underrstand that Indianapolis is the INTCONV
<LionZip> yes - in 2001
<LionZip> Osaka, japan in 2002
<LionKon_IT> INTCONV = International Convention
<LionTedd> Well, let us have a nice first personal EILC meeting in Florence and program the next in Portugal. Let us leave, IMO the INTCONV only for Public Relations
<LionZip> I must go to work - I leave EILC in your capable hands until next time
<LionKon_IT> however, I would to organize an EILC chat from Hawaii, if Dan will give you some computer time
<LionTedd> We may prepare a Presentation for the Forum and for the International Conventions
<LionKon_IT> we could elect our board of directors from there :-)
<LionZip> Thank you for the pleasure of your company today - Ciao
<LionKon_IT> ok, Zip, thanks a lot for your presence.... and remember your "Rotarien" resume :-)
<LionTedd> Bye LionZip
<LionZip> Just a thought - this time (EILC Chat) will happen at 5:00 a.m. in Hawaii - 
<LionTedd> I think that elections is one of the principal actions to be taken in the personal meetting in Florence
<LionKon_IT> it seems that we have to choose another time, maybe in our night
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<LionTedd> LionKon, it seems we are alone.
<LionKon_IT> maybe teddy.... as I saw you, I have to see how my Forum friends will consider about an EILC space during the FORUM
<LionTedd> Well, there is so much to be seen, in reality...
<LionKon_IT> well, the first chats are a little SERVICE too, people must be habitued to use this communication system and I must leave the space opened when we have the scheduled times
<LionTedd> You are right and I really hope that it will work as you think
<LionKon_IT> look at LOL and CIRCLE :-) at least they started 2 yrs ago
<LionKon_IT> they have to grow up
<LionTedd> I particpate in the e-mail list of CIRCLE. In the Chat we have exactly the same problems that I am telling you here about. They try to give a topic. Today was Women. I couldn't participate in it I hope it worked.
<LionKon_IT> sorry, we have to grow up
<LionKon_IT> LOL works better
<LionTedd> I hope so.
<LionKon_IT> because they are less members, and more enthusiastic to use the chats. And Zip is a great chatmaster
<LionTedd> LOL works better because the Lions that may partipate in it is enormeous. 
<LionKon_IT> there are about 30 minutes of social chat and 30 minutes of discussion about the topic
<LionKon_IT> and each chat has a report that is sended to all members
<LionTedd> No doubt that a chasmaster is very, very important.
<LionTedd> There is also a chat report in CIRCLE...did you ever read such a report?
<LionTedd> Again, please, do not think that I am against chatting.
<LionKon_IT> yes, i receive their reports, and I read all of them
<LionTedd> Do you think that there is effectiveness in the reports?
<LionKon_IT> I know, Teddy. I agree your opinion: the chats should be well orgainized to work well
<LionKon_IT> sometime there are interesting informations
<LionKon_IT> mot always
<LionTedd> My diear friend, In my humble opinion, any effort to organize an organized chat is close to impossible...
<LionKon_IT> the great problem for the CIRCLE and LOL chats is that often they speak about problems of other continents. This is the way because I've decided to found EILC
<LionTedd> It is a trmendous energy invested with marginal little results. I think that the chat is only a chatting meeting point to communicat but, NOT TO DEAL WITH SERIOUS IMPORTANT MATTERS.
<LionKon_IT> at least i want that EILC works for a Service or something more important than chats :-)
<LionTedd> Nevetheless, please, go ahead, eventually my idea will be proven with time to wrong. I HOPE SO.
<LionTedd> I still think that for serious matters to be discussed, the e-mail list is much more efficient and precise.
<LionKon_IT> but the chats will be important to have more friendship, a regular space where you could always find someone of your "Club"
<LionKon_IT> and the 2 systems: mailing list and chat work together
<LionTedd> May I tell you my personal feelling. You see that in the chat not many members participate. Why don't you try to comunciate for at least some time through e-mail sending to evevry body mails. Try it and we'll see the results.
<LionKon_IT> oh, I always send Email communications to all the EILC members, speaking them of all the arguments proposed
<LionTedd> I think that mailling list is for coumications of serious matters. The chat, as you say it, a meeting point to comunicate with friends in close to personal touch.
<LionKon_IT> perfect :-)
<LionTedd> I mean to send an e-mail to everybody and everybosy answers toeverybody
<LionTedd> Like this each of us will build a file of comunications and decisions.
<LionKon_IT> however our next goal will be to have a "majordomo"
<LionTedd> But, to have a mayordomo is not a job to asign. "HE" must be willing and it is a very BIG JOB. Do you have a candidate?
<LionTedd> LionKon, remember the vote for the Club's e-mail address? That was very well done.
<LionKon_IT> "majordomo" is an electronic mailing list. Then you could decide to have it free (as CIRCLE) or moderated. If you decide the second option the candidate will have a lot of work to do :-)
<LionKon_IT> yes, I remember, Enzar from Turkye helped us
<LionTedd> OK, I must leave you because I have to go and attend Poli. Keep well and good bye.
<LionTedd> Bye my freiend, I must go.
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<LionKon_IT> ok Teddy.... we speak on Tuesday about the Twinning project. we could organize all from the next week using your travel program
Session Close: Sat Jun 10 17:42:14 2000