Session Start: Sat Sep 16 15:55:14 2000
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*** LionKon_IT changes topic to 'About the EILC Constitution and Membership'
<LionKon_IT> hi there Zip!
<LionKon_IT> always here before me!
<LionZip> Ciao Corrado
<LionZip> It is now 7 am - - I have been waiting since 6:30
<LionKon_IT> Ciao... how are?
<LionZip> my coffeee is getting cold
<LionZip> I am well - and your family?
<LionKon_IT> 2 minute for the scheduled time now
<LionKon_IT> and I'm waiting for my after lunch coffee :-)
<LionZip> well.....ok
<LionKon_IT> all is fine here... Alessandro is growing up faster
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<LionZip> Molto buono! 
<LionKon_IT> Hello Jan, welcome to the EILC chat
<LionZip> Hello jan
<LionZip> Jan
<LionZip> brb
<LionJan-> Hello Zip and corrado
<LionKon_IT> always 8 letters using the webchat! :-(
<LionZip> On 1:JOIN:#:/msg #lionsonline Greetings $nick -   Welcome to the Lions On Line Network. We are glad you have joined us today!
<LionZip> On 1:JOIN:#:/msg #lionsonline Greetings $nick -   Welcome to the Lions On Line Network. We are glad you have joined us today!
<LionJan-> for people with visions and vivid ideas, 8 letters is not much 
<LionZip> Corrado - do you want to use that script?
<LionZip> On 1:JOIN:#:/msg #lionsonline Greetings $nick -   Welcome to the Lions On Line Network. We are glad you have joined us today!
<LionKon_IT> how I can use it?
<LionZip> wait and I will try to edit it for you to copy
<LionJan-> ¿¿classes on how to manage a chat corrado???
<LionKon_IT> Jan, yesterday evening I was at the Region Chairman Meeting and I knew there a Club president native from Holland
<LionKon_IT> i always need new lessons jan :-)
<LionZip> On 1:JOIN:#:/msg #eilc Greetings $nick -   Welcome to the Europa Internet Lions Club. We are glad you have joined us today!
<LionJan-> you find the Dutch anywhere in the world, it is part of our life to explore the world
<LionZip>  Jan - can you test the script I just added by quitting & rejoining the room?
<LionKon_IT> well, he's the actual President of one of the 5 Clubs in my Zone
<LionJan-> On cyprus there are also a couple from holland and members of eilc
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<LionZip> well - I guess it does not quite work.....
<LionKon_IT> something wrong Zip :-)
<LionJan-> nothing happened Zip
<LionZip> I will try to see what next....
<LionKon_IT> his name is Mr, Cornelius de Witt.... absolutely Dutch it seems :-)
<LionJan-> but with a single t it will pure
<LionJan-> in any case please do give my regards when you see him again
<LionKon_IT> already done :-)
<LionJan-> thanks
<LionKon_IT> He asked me why you didn't decide to live in Italy when you leaved Holland :-)
<LionJan-> the enzar wap proyect is taking flight, circle made a link on her web page 
<LionZip> is this room called #eilc?
<LionKon_IT> yes Zip
<LionZip> wap is becoming very important?
<LionKon_IT> well, now CIRCLE and EILC are publishing the new about this project
<LionKon_IT> and I've read messages from the LionNet mailing list that are speaking about it
<LionJan-> i don` know zip but what seems to me the future is wireless conextions whether wap or direct satelite
<LionZip> it is for pda's and cell phones?
<LionJan-> it must be a wap cell phone by the looks of it
<LionKon_IT> the Enzar project is interesting because you can have a simple Lions Club Web Page that you can visit using Internet or a cell phone with the WAP technology
<LionZip> I have enough trouble keeping up with my desktop PC
<LionZip> What does today's topic mean?
<LionKon_IT> and with his Viruses.... I was working from 3 days to clean my laptop!
<LionKon_IT> I would to speak about our Constitution and the Membership rules. I've used the same rules of LOL and I wish to know the opinion of the other members
<LionJan-> i am holding on for the time being and to see what future developments are as in the states and south america direct satelite tv is popular and it will only be a small step to have an internet conection
<LionZip> Can I tell you about LOL membership now that we have started dues?
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<LionKon_IT> The goal of the Enzar project is that the Club pages are completely free for charge
<LionKon_IT> Hello Maggi, Welcome to the EILC chatroom
<Maggi> Hello all
<LionZip> Sæll Maggi
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<LionJan-> hello maggi
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<LionUmb_IT> ciao a tutti; hi
<LionKon_IT> Hello Umberto, Welcome to the EILC chat room
<LionKon_IT> Ciao :-)
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<LionJan-> hello umberto and thanks for the card
<LionUmb_IT> hi Enzar
<LionKon_IT> Hello Enzar, Welcome to the EILC chat room
<Enzar_TR> Hello everybody
<LionJan-> ciao enzar
<LionUmb_IT> it is a pleasure for me, Jan
<Maggi> Hello ensar
<LionKon_IT> Enzar, your project is flying!
<Enzar_TR> flying ?
<LionKon_IT> lot of greeting messages from CIRCLE and some news from LionNet
<Enzar_TR> :))
<LionJan-> enzar i did send details of my club but did not receive any answer within the 24-48 hours
<Enzar_TR> which club
<LionJan-> olmue lions club
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<LionKon_IT> Hello Semra, Welcome in the EILC chat room
<LnSem_tr> hello :))
<Enzar_TR> are you sure 
<LnSem_tr> Enzar buzu unutmuşsun :))
<LnSem_tr> yess ım sure :))
<Enzar_TR> there is not a club waitign approwement
<LionJan-> quite sure, but i can do it again if there is no record
<LionUmb_IT> hi Sem
<LnSem_tr> hi umberto how are u?
<Enzar_TR> did it say congratulation you summitted your page
<LionUmb_IT> I am fine but tour message for Enzar is criptic
<LionJan-> no congratulations
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<Enzar_TR> it will say congratulation when you submitted correctly
<Enzar_TR> and mails me the new club.
<LionKon_IT> your project seems very important for some areas where it's difficult to open websites whitour any cost
<Enzar_TR> to inform me
<LionJan-> zip are you with mirc (13 letters now) and i can get only 8
<LionZip-Calif> yes - i am using mIRC
<LionZip-Calif> are you jealous?
<LionJan-> no particularly but i do feel shorttailed
<LionZip-Calif> sorry about that....
<LionKon_IT> why don't you try to install mirc or another irc client Jan?
<LnSem_tr> Enzar senin dediğin ing mail gelmedi bana
<LionJan-> i have mirc installed but don´ know how to get to the eilc chat room therefore i use the web site
<Enzar_TR> which mail semra
<LionZip-Calif> you need to enter the new server
<LionUmb_IT> you can see how do it in the EILC web
<LionJan-> which server are you talking about zip
<LionKon_IT> Jan will be fined.... all the instructions about the EILC server are in the EILC website main page! :-)
<LionZip-Calif> ielf.fr.librenet.net
<LnSem_tr> u said me before
<LnSem_tr> remember
<LionJan-> thanks
<LionUmb_IT> and for the room: #eilc
<LionJan-> i do have the chat room as a favorite and do get here direct
<LionZip-Calif> but you can only have a short name!
<LionKon_IT> Jan, you have to add the new server in your mirc setup
<LionJan-> i do have somewhere noted #eilc Lions  lata4comprar
<Enzar_TR> lionjan, inform me when you submitted your page
<LionJan-> last sunday enzar
<Enzar_TR> no there is not a page about that club, what was your username
<LionJan-> don´ worry enzar tomorrow i will do send the details again
<LionZip-Calif> Corrado - what do you want to discuss today?
<Enzar_TR> Lionwap does not accept some pages. For example u should submit a valid email adress 
<LionKon_IT> Thanks Zip, it's the right time for the Topic
<Enzar_TR> it controls your email adres from your ISP. 
<LionJan-> i will do so enzar
<Enzar_TR> ok
<LionKon_IT> Fellows, we are almost ready to publish our constitution and I wish to hear your opinion about the membership rules and other arguments
<LionKon_IT> We have copyed the LOL rules for Membership and I want to hear from Zip what happens in LOL now
<LionZip-Calif> LOL has had their constitution for almost 3 years - we sent a copy to LCI  but have never heard anything from them
<LionZip-Calif> but they do recognize LOL with a meeting room every convention
<LionZip-Calif> and notice in the official convention schedule
<LionJan-> I don` have any queries or arguments, it seems to me important to start getting members and if the circumstances do require changes there will be plenty of time to do so, but for the time being the main course will be promoting a lionism without border on the net  or wap
<LionZip-Calif> so I believe it is okay with them
<LionUmb_IT> dear Griends I must go away. At soon
<LionZip-Calif> we (so far) have not found any changes needed in 3 years
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<LionKon_IT> Ciao Umberto
<LionKon_IT> buona giornata
<LionKon_IT> Jan, the only trouble is to have really interested members. That's because the Membership is submitted to the chat participation
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<LionKon_IT> But I've addeed to the mailing list more Lions that don't use the chat to join EILC
<LionJan-> a chat paticipation or a mailing list contact
<LionZip-Calif> that was why we required 2 sessions each month - although we are not too strict with that rule
<LionZip-Calif> LOL requires chats for members but no requirement to be on the mail list
<LionKon_IT> exactly what I made, Zip
<LionZip-Calif> there are almost 500 on the LOL mail list but only 65 members
<LionKon_IT> Hello Canary, welcome in the EILC chat room
<LionJan-> i guess that is about the same in circle
<LionKon_IT> For CIRCLE is different Jan
<LionZip-Calif> I hear from many Lions about chat reports when I do very good or very bad - but never hear or see those Lions at other times
<canary> Hi every body one, I,m pleased fot to share this chat .
<LionJan-> hello canary
<LnSem_tr> hi  canary
<LionZip-Calif> hi Canary
<LionKon_IT> Canary, are you a Lion Member?
<canary> Yes I,m PID David fuertes, from Canary Islands (Spain)
<LionKon_IT> David, my friend! How much time!
<LionKon_IT> How are you?
<LionKon_IT> glad to see you online again!!!!!
<LionJan-> ola david best wishes from olmue chile
<canary> I, m well and you Corrado. Is LionJan, the PDG Jan Kokelaar from Chile.?
<LionZip-Calif> and from California, USA too
<LionKon_IT> yes David
<LionJan-> yes sir 
<LionKon_IT> Do you already know the others here, David?
<canary> Jan please leave my best wishes to Emi and LC Olmue.
<canary> Yes Corrado, please go ahead.
<LionJan-> thanks david we do rember you with lots of "cariño"
<LionKon_IT> ok, we was speaking about the different kind of membership in LOL, EILC and CIRCLE David
<LionKon_IT> our Consititution will be ready for the FORUM meeting and I want to be sure that all is ok for the members
<LionKon_IT> Zip, what is happened in LOL after the due?
<LionZip-Calif> since we started dues - we lost thoese members who were not dedicated to the activity - we went from 110 members to about 65
<LionJan-> payments problems i suppose, like me 
<LionZip-Calif> which is very good - we did not know what to expect
<LionZip-Calif> Jan has a credit card that is only good for Jan lol
<LionZip-Calif> some who paid dues were a surprise to me also
<LionJan-> right you are zip but i am working on a new pincode and then all will be well
<LionZip-Calif> no problem at all, Lion jan
<LionZip-Calif> Jan
<LionKon_IT> we wrote something about a future due in the Constitution and we will see when apply it for the EILC members. First of all we should vote our Board of Directors (and a treasurer)
<LionZip-Calif> Question: ?
<LionZip-Calif> is there a "Parent Club" for EILC?
<LionKon_IT> No
<LionJan-> just give it a go corrado and you will be on the way with eilc
<LionKon_IT> this is the only great difference from LOL
<Maggi> I bring you greetings from ID. Jon Bjarni just spoke to him on the phone
<LionJan-> I dont see much difference zip
<LionZip-Calif> The basis in the LCI constitution that makes LOL a legal Lions Activity is that it is an activity of the Victorville L.C. which is legally chartered
<LionKon_IT> Great Maggi. I've meet him during the pre-Forum and I hope to see him again in October
<LionZip-Calif> without that, under the rules, EILC would not have any legal status (I believe)
<LionKon_IT> Zip, I've already spoken with LCI about it. The Virtual Clubs are similar to the Stamp, Pins trading and Golf Club. They are Lions activities. So a Parent Club isn't needed
<LionZip-Calif> okay
<LionJan-> right you are zip but it will be time for lci to consider the gruops of lions as well and give them a kind of status
<LionZip-Calif> I have petitioned LCI for standing for LOL and other Cyber clubs
<LionKon_IT> however a Constitution is surely needed even LCI didn't give us any answer when I've sent him the document :-(
<LionJan-> i don´ think that you should compare this with a pin trading or stamp club
<LionKon_IT> Jan, that was the only answer that I've received from LCI when I wrote to the Legal Division
<LionJan-> what does david thinks about this
<LionKon_IT> the virtual Clubs are only Lions Activities that you can compare to the Golf, Pin Trading and Stamp Clubs
<LionZip-Calif> The "proof" of being accepted by LCI is the fact that they assign LOL a meeting room at conventio (at no cost, by the way) and include our schedule in the convention program
<canary> I don,t know the document send to Legal Division.?
<Enzar_TR> Dear friends I am really sorry but I should go. . Keep well. And a quick good bye 
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<LionKon_IT> Ciao Enzar
<Maggi> Corrado I know ID Jon Bjarni is the chairman in the club and dictrict commite
<LionJan-> lci does anything to put a name to different kind of members, what about the same for groupos like lol, circle and eilcto 
<LionKon_IT> David, I gave the EILC Constitution to Massimo Fabio and he promised me a legal english translation approved by LCI
<LionKon_IT> Maggi, our IDs should work in the International Board to consider the new rules for the Virtual Clubs
<LionZip-Calif> PID David - do you know about Lions On Line L.C.?
<canary> Ok Corrado, we hope that ID. Fabio give you the official traslation and the presentation in Board Committee. Maybe in Florence we have this paper.
<LionJan-> i think that it will be a matter of time before lci will give lol. circle or eilc a proper lions status and not being considered as an lions activity
<LionKon_IT> He promised me that all will be ready for the EILC official Meeting during the Forum
<canary> LionZip-Calif, yes I know that Lions on Line from Canada, 
<LionKon_IT> Jan that should be our goal.... because now these "Clubs" are only for Lions. If we will have a Club status we could join at least new members
<LionZip-Calif> Lions On Line (LOL) was the model for this EILC group - and LOL was modeled from the CIRCLE constitution
<canary> Corrado, you remember that we speak over this matter in Pre forum od Florence, the last February.
<LionJan-> i would like to know what happens if someone presents a virtual lions club with 20 new members from anywhere in the world
<LionZip-Calif> PID David - can I add you to the LOL mail list?
<LionKon_IT> but one problem should be the duble affiliation because we are already Lions in a native Club
<LionZip-Calif> Jan - how do you handle the current geography rules?
<Maggi> Lci is a wery old fasion establisment and slow in accepting new methoods mow I have been told that some clubs have been writing and want the old report forms back
<LionKon_IT> Jan, some time ago we spoke about it with Dan Uitti.... we dreamed about virtual Districts and more :-)
<canary> LionZip, of course I, m pleased for it and I take the opportunity for do it also.
<LionZip-Calif> before EILC or LOL can be chartered - the LCI constitution needs to be changeds
<LionJan-> that is exactly what we are talking about a lionism without borders and a different kind of service
<LionKon_IT> well, try to think about a great International Service sponsorized from all the Virtual Clubs!
<LionZip-Calif> PID David - send me your email address - lionzip@lionsonline.net
<canary> my email address: davidfuertes@mx3.redestb.es
<LionKon_IT> Zip, the first problem is that they don't accept the virtual meetings. Toronto Cyberlions for example are a Club because their Internet work is only an activity of a standard Club
<LionZip-Calif>  sponsorized <=== i like that word! (sponsored)
<LionZip-Calif> thank you L. David
<LionKon_IT> this is my italo-english pidgin, Zip :-)
<LionZip-Calif> no Corrado -I REALLY like that word!
<LionJan-> never mind corrado we still do understand
<LionKon_IT> Try to think that we could open a secure server area to check money alla over the world for this International Service and involve Lions and non Lions everywhere!
<LionJan-> the fact is that when you try to look at the virtual clubs as normal lions clubs and submitting them to the existing rules and regulations there will be no way to create someting different
<canary> Dear fellows, i must go out now. Perhaps the next saturday I can to find you in this time. Than you for to share and take care. Fondly.
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<LionKon_IT> Ciao David, we will wait you the next Saturday... You'll find us here from 4.00 pm
<LionJan-> take care david and "see" you later
<LionZip-Calif> I am afraid that it is now time for me to go to my job - have a GRERAT LIONS DAY - Ciao a Tutti
<LionJan-> cciao zip
<LionKon_IT> well, the chat time is finished 10 minutes ago :-)
<LionKon_IT> Ciao Zip!
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<LionJan-> friends i have to leave as well have a good time ciao
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<LionKon_IT> Ok, I think that we should close this session fellow.... please send me your opinion about this argument using the EILC mailing list
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<LionKon_IT> Semra, let me close the chat and save the log
<LionKon_IT> then we could speak again from here about your arguments
<LnSem_tr>  ohh sorry ım coming :))
<LnSem_tr>  ım not here
<LnSem_tr>   ım going to icq
<LionKon_IT> come here again, it's easier
<LnSem_tr> :))
<LionKon_IT> I'll leave for 5 minutes and save the log
<LnSem_tr> ok lets go
Session Close: Sat Sep 16 17:13:10 2000