Hello and good evening from Bursa Turkey hello to you wich district you are dıv? no, i don't know it.... I've received a new membership request from HALUK lastname: PAYASLIOGLU well our turkish friends are well represented Corrado who ıs Haluk my God you know more Turkısh people than me a good thing would be as we join to have two leetters of the country behind the nick it seems that our members are well sponsoring EILC in Turkye Jan meraba dıv

I hope EILC has received my application form corrado as you see my nick is complete now because i have entered through mirc yes, I'vew received your application haluk may you tell something about you for the other members here? *** leo_Anna (leo_Anna@h217-171-135.BO1.albacom.net) has joined #eilc your nick is now perfect Jan. I think that we have started a new way for the nicks here. Also in the other virtual Clubs now you can find lot of people to use the same system ciao anna, benvenuta nella EILC chat! hai visto che alla fine ce l'abbiamo fatta anna benvenuta hi anna welcome and a great event today: we have also a young Leo from Italy today! hi everybody great complıment to you Corrado please, welcome Anna from the 108A Leo District! can i ask you what's the topic today anna where did you learn that good english???? Today we will be speaking about the vortual clubs position and how to encourage LCI to accept this new Lions reality

sorry for my late answers. I was presented by mrs. avdici last week. ı am 1.vice.prs. of bursa çekirge club. thanks haluk. Latife, now you know who haluk is :-) well i have studied english at schholl and a lot of money where spent for my summer holidays... yes thank but ı asked not only for me but for everybody that present here well done anna but because anna is with us today, we could also speak about a Virtual European Leo Club Promoted from EILC :-) it's sound great! non andare cosı forte Corrado devı un attımo pensare le cose

is there any possibility here to know the topics before ? this topic was published about three weeks ago latife Topıcs ıs vırtual clubs posıtıons sorry haluk yes, we are thinking to send a message through the mailing list about 3/4 days before the chat *** Enzar_TR (Enzar_TR@212.156.94.90) has joined #eilc

so it is perfect which is the problem about virtual club position? Hı Enzar wellcome Hello Everybody haluk, as soon as possible you'll be joined in the EILC mailing list Hello Enzar, Welcome to the EILC chat

thanks hi enzar from an italian leo!

enzar ben de buradayım Anna the Fırst and bıg problem ıs the vırtual clubs hımself there is no problem we do enjoy our gettogether on the net very well, but lions recognise this as an activity like any other committee for all, and answering Anna: the problem is that the virtual clubs doesn't have a recognization as the standard clubs from LCI Enzar md bayragını en kısa zamanda yollarmısın? Enzar, how is the turkish page for the Virtual Agorà? can you elaborate this reason with examples we are all lions belonging to different lions clubs Latife sent all data for agora Corrado I am askıng to Enzar the MD Banner. I know that you need also to ıt simply: the virtual clubs (EILC, LOL, CIRCLE) are recognized as Lions Activities or Groups like the Stamp, Golf or Pin Trading Clubs Enzar, I've received the text but i need the pictures too Corrado dıd you receıved our ınformatıons for Vırtual Agora? ok i understand,so which are the possible solutions to this problem lci will not recognise these virtual clubs as they are formed by lions from different clubs. Enzar I wıllsent also to you what ı sent to Corrado I hope you can sent the pıctures becouse I can not sent the pıctures well corrado will give his opinion and i will give mine to be a lions group or activity seems enough but at least there are some problems: the first one is that a Lions Group can't accept new members from non Lions for example Jan and Corrado Sınce to day yet LCI not regıster us as a lıo9n club but they want to dıscuss ın the Board our posıtıons a possible solution could be when we present a new virtual club to lions with new members either within a district, country or anywhere in the world. Such club will have to comply with the standing rules and regulations with the exception that their meetings will be on the net *** lnlatitr has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) The problem is to find a right position for the Virtual Clubs so they could work better for lionism i'm thinking about this problem of being lions from different clubs..i'm a leo a big problem for me to be here! No, there isn't any problem for a Leo, because he/she is a member of the Lion family there is no problem anna

Please do not worry one day all the clubs will become virtual, they should... but I'm thinking that using Internet and our enthusiasm we could find new member for the association. And we can't do that because we don't have the status of a standard club or similar the present groups have their rules and regulations where they permits lions or leos from existing clubs to join. *** lnlatitr (lnlatitr@212.2.215.4) has joined #eilc *** LionTeddy_IL (teddyg1@RAS3-p3.pt.netvision.net.il) has joined #EILC the second problem could be that we can't have access to the LCI founds to start an important service hello Teddy welcome to the EILC chat eccomı Hello COrrado, hello everybody hello tedy how are you? a general questions haluk how many clubs are virtual today? Lionnet has about 2700 pages registered and that includes leos etc. and we have about 44500 clubs in the world. iit's very hard for me to understand this problem....many lions are virtual...i mean yiu do not see them...they are real only in Annuario! Hello there bella pensata anna :-) hi teddy Hi leo-Anna Anna is young but she understand as well what happens every days in the Lions Clubs :-) There was a change in the hour in Israel and this confused me.

does EILC have "member accepting standards" like "normal" cubs have, any procedure ? What are you taklking about? Teddy, the topic for today is about the position of the virtual clubs and Leo Anna had an amazing answer Isn't it that there is only one virtual Club? LOL? ola teddy Hola Jan Yes, Haluk, EILC has not so different procedures from a Standard Club for the Membership I I hope the vırtual lıons clubs ıs about 4 i 'm a good observer...for us(leo) it's hard to belive and belong to an association when often nobody follow the rules you must be presented from another regular EILC member and you have to participate in the chat meeting and in the Club Activities Anna you are our future you know more then us *** LionZip (LOLLC@AC9A7BE5.ipt.aol.com) has joined #eilc Hello Lions moreover you must be a Lion/Loe in good standing hi lionzip Hi LionZip Hello Zip, welcome to the EILC chat please anna explain what you mean by nobody follows the rules hello ln zıp hello zip many lions are lions only for the pin and not for the ideals of lionism Anna Lıons a bıg famıly and everybody rıspect to all of the rules the Membership rules, as the Constitution of EILC, are mutuated from the other existing virtual clubs: LOL (represented here from LionZip) and CIRCLE

I think that accepting a lion to a virtual club should be more complicated than accepting to a normal club anna, non essere troppo critica.... questi Lions seguono tutti con passione le regole associative :-) Anna how many years you spent ın Lıons famıly? well that is different from following the rules and plainly a matter of participation and the difference between a good and a not good lion Enzar do you reead problem ıs problem ın every country i agree with kokelar not so much, Haluk, because your Lion sponsor is the one that guarantee for you and is a virtual Club member before *** Retrieving #eilc info...

Anna is right to a certain extent but voluntary works are somehow personal *** LionKon_IT changes topic to 'The Virtual Club Position. How we can encourage LCI to consider this new way to live Lionism?' anna what happens if you get 20 virtual friends and present them as an club to lci and pay your fees etc. *** lnlatitr1 (lnlatitr@212.2.215.4) has joined #eilc hi Isn't there a difference between a recognized Club and a Virtual Group? *** lnlatitr has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) however.... we asked to our ID Massimo Fabio and Jon Bjarni Tornsteinnson to help us in the International Board of Directors To the best of my Knowledge, LCI only recognizes as Clubs those who meet personally and not only via Internet...

perhaps we should force our own clubs to establish our own virtual clubs first prior to becoming so international .. yes there is teddy, we are all lions belonging to a club and do get together in a virtual group that's true Teddy So, than we should use our lenguage less confusing. RILC is NOT YET a LIONS CLUB... Sorry, EILC instead of RILC... corrado ho ballato il valzer con un past ID la scorsa settimana!!

I mean my club sholu establish a virtual club first. If many clubs act like this, we can become e real power to be recognised Well, because EILC is international, we decided to use english as common language (with all the limitation of our knowledge) there is nowhere in the lci rules that you can´t meet on the net and there are presently a wide variety of clubs being recognisedand it will only be a matter of time when lci will accept virtual clubs and we will have a great participation of young peolple like anna a question but if you have a recognization you have to leave your not virtual club?? I presume that to get recognition as a Club by LCI we MUST give prove of efficiency and serving the Comunity in reality not only virtually Anna - you could be a member of EILC and an Associate Member of your other club Well, i think that we should move with little steps. The first one should be to have a recognized constitution and bylaw When is your Forum? that remains to be seen anna, the present rules stipulate that you can´t be member of two or more clubs And to have by laws means to solve the problem of double membership corrado we must decıded before whu we are what we want to do ın the wıch part of lıonısm we are. it is a simple matter of establishing the type of service a virtual club can offer teddy - I have been concerned for you - is there peace where you reside? *** gutsblack (gutsblack@ca-ol-marseille-11-99.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #eilc No, big problems...it is possible that there is going to be an Emergency Government... You have been in my thoughts and I think that the 3 virtual clubs should work entirety to write a standard constituiton for all the future virtual clubs *** gutsblack (gutsblack@ca-ol-marseille-11-99.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #eilc Thank you, it is terrible. Did you receive the mail I sent to all of you with the twisitng of the reality news? I have not opened it yet

If all clubs could act both way (virtual and normal) this would be a good way to be recognised by LCI.Only this way we become a real power.Virtual clubs sustain the real activities of normal clubs At this moment in the TV there are speaking of even War... right you are Zip all our friends in Israel merits that peace will soon be there tedy I receıved ıs really terrııble

good luck Zip Jan - that does not seem to be the way it is happening Div, in my view you are only expressing a wishful thinking. Isn't it so?

yes really Thank you to all for your solidarity What is the exact problem today? Are you looking to adopt a Constitution? i have read it too i'm speachless Sory, but I should go. I will read chat log for the end of this chat session. Bye how can a virtual club with members all over the world or within a country acts normal haluk?? *** Enzar_TR has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) we are all hoping for the peace there, Teddy! Thank you Corrado. bye Enzar By Enzar Zip, we are only discussing wich will be the right way to substain or position in fron of the International BOard bye Corrado we are hopıng Peace ın all of the word probably is one way of trying to get oficial recognition as club from lci you must meet all of the rules as they are now and petition LCI as you go along

what ı mean is "every lions club could have a virtual version " aswell Corrado, in my view, we are to young and with no experience yet in order to pretend recognition. What can you show in practical terms as success? Because now we are using the Consitution of LOL and CIRCLE and there isn't any problem, but as you know we aren't recognized thanks haluk Teddy, I'm not speaking for EILC, I'm speaking for all the virtual clubs The example of LOL is not the same. They are recognized because they MEET personally also. Corrado - that is why LOL began as a part of Victorville LC, which IS recognized that is why LCI grants us so many advantages no, teddy, LOL is in the same position of EILC, the only difference is that LOL is an Activity of the Victorville LC LOL is NOT a chartered club - - yet don't you think that is possible to create a virtual district where virtual clubs can operate with a recognization zip you are recognised as victorvill lions club and lol is an activity of that club I belive that! yes Anna Jan - that is correct the only "Virtual Club" that is recognized is "Toronto Cyberlions" because it's a standard Club with an Internet Activity I would think that the Virtual Groups (on purpose I do not call them Clubs) should be considered similar to the new form of branches aproved in hawaii Convention. Attached to annother Club or Clubs. but I continue to petition LCI for charter for LOL i like the way anna is thinking right you are zip Zip, you are right, I confused myself. Toronto CyberLions just received notice from LCI that their charter has NOT been rescinded but they are on Status Quo I think that if LCI has found new kinds of Clubs like the Branch or the Centennary, it colud be also the right way to recognize the "Virtual Groups"! Why Zip? teddy you are talking about the new century lions clubs attachede with another lions club called guida Corrado - when is your Forum? or recognise virtual districts from 26 to 28 of october, ZIp *** LionTeddy_IL has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) you will learn there what LCI and your Forum group thinks of the idea of EILC dear frends we are not LIONS CLUB YET we are tryıng to make accept to ILC the new posıtıons of lıons club. Nessun Vırtual clubs can make hıs Charter ıs not possıble yet that's true Latife. it might well be a good thing as we really do put order in our thoughts and do present to lci a well prepared proposal in order to get recognition for virtual clubs and virtual districts Zip, EILC is also a project approved during the pre-forum. So during the FOrum I'll have the opportunity to speak about our progress and the problems of the virtual "Groups" I submitted such a plan to Pres & both VP's last month

Thanks for you hospitality. I should leave now. I would really appreciate receiving the topics to be discussed before. Bye. why we couldn't leave this chat with a proposal? pleas do send me a copy zip VP Fukushima said it was interesting Jan - I will send you a copy you too, Corrado *** LionTeddy_IL (teddyg1@RAS3-p3.pt.netvision.net.il) has joined #EILC wb Teddy it is bound to be interesting considering the growth in vitual communications Hi here I amagain Did you come to some conclusio? Zip, may you send the document using the EILC mailing list? dear frend I asked our posıtıon to the ınternatıonal presıdent ( before Jean behar) he sasys we decıded to dıscuss. ONLY my proposal is to prepare a document to present during the Europa Forum considering the position of all the Virtual Groups Friends, I say good by. I am going to try to enter the CIRCLE Chat. Members of the 3 "Groups" could work to write it and it will be presented to the IP Behar se il gheiser te lo permette Corrado - I believe it would not be a good idea - I do not want LCI to think that we are pushing too hard - and all of the mail list might not be good until we hear a response from LCI *** LionTeddy_IL has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) permette, permette, sta diventando bravissimo :-) ok Zip, but what do you think about my proposal? that will be a great help but on the other hand we still should present also proposals directly to LCI through ID and VP etc. we are already doing it Jan I believe we should continue to act as clubs and press for more recognition as we go along we should have some accomplishments to show as proof of our value What was your proposal, Corrado? to prepare a document that we could present to the IP Behar during the Europa Froum (written with 3 hands) here we have different opinions the europeans are definitely for more action zip i understand, Jan, but LCI is not ready to face this new problem (I think) *** div has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) but EILC and the others must show results they have from acting as clubs the document should show the position of all the virtual "clubs" and ask to the IP to consider our reality what about lionnet zip and the varios campaigns of help to turkey and venezuela, not bad for a start LOL has several ongoing projects, has raised funds and has awarded a melvin Jones we are now supporting about 4/5 international Lions project Zip... it could be a good start in few months :-) those are what LCI will look at for benefit Zıp at last one of my frends understant me. They do not ready becouse the problem ıs new we must resolve all to gether but the board before of us must decıded what can they do the Luau that LOL sponsored in Hawaii was very well attended (280 Lions) and was very big in the Public Relations department i think that we could help the Board to find a good solution... At least now we are in a good position, probably we have 3/4 Directors with us! that is the kind of thing that makes LCI see that we all are "for real" EILC should adopt a project that is successful and probably collect some funds to prove that it can function and Leo Anna seems ready to start a virtual Leo group under the EILC patronage :-) that would also be very good friends it has been a pleasure and has been quite a good discussion, regards to all and see you later this is our main idea Zip. We will discuss this argument during our official meeting in the Forum program *** kokelaar-cl (~kokelaar@idial92.amerikanclaris.cl) has left #eilc Ciao Jan.... we are out of the scheduled time :-) see you soon in my opinion to serve is the real answer to all this problems,it's does not matter how or where but DO is your firdst official EILC annual meeting this month in Florence will be a BIG start Dear frends I must leave bye Corrado - I will send you some suggestions for your meeting that we learned from ALL of our mistakes that's true anna... but you have to remember also that our main activity is to promote the international relationship and friendship :-) thanks a lot Zip! bye Ciao Latife. You'll receive the chat report Surely to have an Official Meeting during the Forum was a great Goal! È il mio piacere per aiutarLa. wow, Zip, your italian is always perfect :-) That will be your first real success you may blame the translation program for my new expertise yes, i didn't believe when the Forum President offered me the official space! You desrve a big congratulations for getting that done, Corrado sure that i remember friendship and internationality i mean that it does not metter that you are using a virtual club you are serving and this is the real recognization! I am sure that many join me in being proud of what you have done for EILC but probably he spoke with the IDs that are working for us.... and he's starting to consider the virtual clubs as a reality :-) Molto buono! *** lnlatitr1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) I must get ready for work - my day is just beginning as yours comes to an end ok, it seems time to close the session. Anna the last words are for you as a leo we hope to have soon more of you and from all over europe.... You think great and your help will be very apreciated! Ciao - and a pat for my nephew Alessandro Grazie Zip! grazie per l'experience offertami e faccio il tifo per la vostra recognization in modo che dei piccoli leoncini virtuali possano nascere! Prego Please, if you want, send me something about the petition to LCI okay Maybe Alessandro will know you in Indianapolis :-) la giubbina rossa e' la mascotte as usual! quelli possono nascere già adesso Anna, visto che sei dei nostri! *** LionZip (LOLLC@AC9A7BE5.ipt.aol.com) has left #eilc passi su ICQ anna? the session is closed now! forse potrebbe essere l'unico modo di sopravvivere per noi leo non posso sono con il portatile e non ho icq su questo attrezzo di mia mamma allora esci un momento dalla chat che la salvo e poi possiamo continuare qui 5 minuti pe possiamo rientrare ok *** leo_Anna has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) Session Close: Sat Oct 07 17:25:14 2000